I am going to start tracking packages from China to Canada here.
The ParcelsApp.com website can be used to track packages from China. http://parcelsapp.com/
Observations[edit | edit source]
Ebay[edit | edit source]
Do not buy items on Ebay with a delivery period that exceeds 60 days. These items will likely take so long to arrive that the feedback window for the seller expires. You will also need to open a dispute with Ebay shortly after the shipping window period or risk losing your money if it doesn't arrive.
If possible, find an item that is shipped with SpeedPAK. SpeedPAK from China to Canada usually takes about 1-2 weeks, but on some occasions 3 weeks.
Some items on Ebay do not list SpeedPAK as the shipping method even if the seller uses it. These are typically items with a delivery window of 13-57 or 14-58 days). Anything windows that are longer typically will use Flyt or Yanwen and may get stuck waiting for a plane. This also isn't a rule. For example, an item with a 11-55 day window was shipped with Yanwen.
AliExpress[edit | edit source]
The AliExpress Saver Shipping method (listed as AliExpress - 无忧物流-标准/無憂物流標準, or AliExpress - Worry Free Standard) is operated by Cainao and appears to use any number of shipping methods including: 4PX+UBI Smart Parcel, EMS, China Post. All orders shipped with this method arrived within 2 months. This method is an insured way for sellers to ship items since any disputes are handled by this platform. The 'worry free' aspect is mostly for the seller since once the item is sent, they do not need to worry about its delivery status. Items using this method are also tracked to ensure that the item has been delivered.
I have stopped buying from AliExpress because if anything happens to your shipment, you really have no recourse. You can't ship it back (shipping costs more than the items usually) and their arbitration system typically rules in favor of the seller.
Shipping methods observed[edit | edit source]
|Shipping Method||Shipping Time||Tracking Number Format|
|SpeedPak||9, 14, 13, 13, 19, 24, 12, 15, 15, 11, 12, 14 days (2020)
29, 8, 8, 7, 7, 23, 31, 17 days (2021)
|UBI Smart Parcel via 4PX||16, 17, 23, 10, 24, 16, 14, 16, 18 days||Canada Post Expedited Parcel #|
|Yanwen - e邮宝, EMS Epacket||33, 51, 16 days||VR#########YP|
|Yanwen - China Post||18, 21, 41 days (2020)
20, 19, 29, 17, 41, 42 days (2021)
|EMS||63, 63 days||400631863#######|
|China Post||37, 41 days||LZ##########CN
|China Post - 中国邮政平常小包||112 days||UW#########CN|
|Yanwen China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus
|Singapore Post Small Packet - 新加坡邮政挂号小包||79||LF#########SG|
|Cainao (菜鸟) Super Economy (超级经济/超級經濟)||53, 35 days||S00000########## and later UJ#########CN|
|Cainao Global - 菜鸟超级经济Global||99, 100, 44, 120, 35, 26 days||S00000########## and later UJ#########CN|
|Cainao (Yanwen) - 菜鸟超级经济-燕文||103, 119 days||S00000########## and later UJ#########CN|
|Special Line-YW (Yanwen) 燕文航空挂号小包||84 days||PR#########YP|
|WishPost + Flyt Express||24 days||WI00XXXXXXXXXXFPL / 1023XXXXXXXXXXXX|
|Flyt||43, 33, 36, 33, 35, 19, 29 days||FE00#######SS|
The following methods are limited to orders under $5 USD and under 2kg: 4PX Singapore Post OM Pro, Cainao Super Economy, Cainao Super Economy Global, China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus
Other observations and patterns[edit | edit source]
- It takes about 5-6 days to ship from Vancouver to Calgary (via Edmonton) or 3 days if direct. It takes Canada Post and UPS about 6-7 days (including weekends) to deliver from Halifax to Calgary.
- SunYou appears to be via China Post. The tracking number China Post assigns the package is untracked.
- Untracked packages will not have status updates after leaving China. These include the cheap Cainao Super Economy, Cainao Global, Yawen, SunYou.
Shipping logs[edit | edit source]
|Ship Date||Origin||Shipping Method||Arrival||Days in Transit||Notes|
|August 12||Jinhua||China Post||October 19||68||UU229490102CN|
|October 2||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||October 19||17||EE10016498127480001010003B0N|
|September 7||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||October 8||31||EE10016191590830001030003D0N|
|September 19||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||October 12||23||EE10016335441540001020003A0N|
|Aug 12||Hong Kong||FLYT||September 10, 2021||29||F3243121081300B7|
|Jul 31||上海市||YANWEN||September 10, 2021||41||UD507888655YP|
|Jul 30||上海市||YANWEN||September 10, 2021||42||UD508583898YP|
|July 29, 2021||Shenzhen||China Post||August 27, 2021||29||AS844710218CN
Amazon order from China. Arrived in Canada on August 6. Label says 'eParcel' and last mile was delivered by someone in an unmarked sedan. Return address is to 7003 5th Street SE, Unit B. The labeled phone number is of a company called Uni express inc.
|August 7, 2021||上海||Flyt||August 26, 2021||19||UA339407266AE|
|August 6, 2021||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||August 15, 2021||7||ES10015757232060001010001B0N|
|July 7, 2021||上海||Flyt?||August 11, 2021||35||seller posted FE002751339SS, but arrived with UA332092718AE|
|July 9, 2021||上海||Flyt?||August 11, 2021||33||UA332251785AE|
|July 7, 2021||上海||Flyt||August 8, 2021||33||Arrived to Canada on Jul 27, 2021.
|July 4, 2021||上海||Flyt||August 8, 2021||36||Arrived to Canada on Jul 28, 2021.
|June 13, 2021||上海||Flyt||July y26, 2021||43||FE002366450SS|
|July 6, 2021||东莞市||Yanwen||July 22, 2021||17||UD500219302YP
Via Vancouver on July 15
|June 14, 2021||上海市||Yanwen||July 13, 2021||29||UD491467493YP
Via Vancouver on July 6
|June 20, 2021||东莞市||Yanwen||July 9, 2021||19||UD494040758YP
Via Vancouver on July 3
|June 19, 2021||东莞市||Yanwen||July 9, 2021||20||UD493273495YP|
|June 17, 2021||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||June 24, 2021||7||ES10015151079330001010001F0N|
|June 16, 2021||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||June 24, 2021||8||ES10015138060910001010001E0N|
|June 15, 2021||Shenzhen||SpeedPAK||June 23, 2021||8||ES10015123493910001010001A0N|
|May 19, 2021||Guangzhou||SpeedPAK||June 7, 2021||29||ES10014773977650001010001C0N|
|August 6, 2020||Suzhou||AliExpress, Cainiao Super Economy||September 10, 2020||35||Shipped on August 6. Departed for Jiangsu International with untracked tracking number UJ579963850CN on August 8. It was given to an airline on August 10. It arrived at Vancouver on August 19 and arrived in my mailbox on September 10.
|July 17, 2020||AliExpress, Cainiao Super Economy||September 10, 2020||53||Shipped on July 20. It was given an untracked tracking number UJ557998565CN on July 22 and departed for Jiangsu International on July 23. It arrived in my mailbox on September 10.|
|August 22, 2020||AliExpress, EMS ePacket, e邮宝||September 7, 2020||16||LZ263058047CN|
|August 22, 2020||AliExpress, 4PX||September 7, 2020||16||4006318643114629|
|August 24, 2020||AliExpress, 4PX||September 7, 2020||18||4006318644029250|
|August 10, 2020||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济-顺友, Yanwen China Post Ordinary Small Packet Plus||September 4, 2020||19||LP00402595997721|
|August 19, 2020||Shendong||AliExpress, 4PX||September 3, 2020||14||Ordered from AliExpress with $4 AliExpress shipping. The item was shipped on August 19 and was exported via Shenzhen on August 22. It was given to an airline on August 23 and arrived at Vancouver on August 24. It was collected the next day and given to customs for inspection on the 27th. Canada Post took the package that day and delivered it via Edmonton (September 1) to Calgary (September 2). Canada Post delayed delivery for some reason (no mail that day) and delivered it the next day on September 3.
|August 19, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPak||September 3, 2020||14||Ordered from Ebay with SpeedPak shipping. It shipped on August 20, left Hong Kong on August 21, arrived at Vancouver on August 23, cleared customs on August 25, then was delivered on September 3.
|July 24, 2020||Ebay||September 3, 2020||41||Ordered from Ebay with economy shipping. It shipped with China Post, small packet air mail. There is no tracking information, other than information that it arrived or departed at certain times. It most likely left China shortly after August 7 as that's the last tracking event given by China Post.
|August 19, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPak||September 1, 2020||12||Ordered from Ebay with SpeedPak shipping. It shipped on August 20. It cleared Hong Kong customs on August 21 and departed China on August 23. It arrived in Canada on August 24 and cleared customs on August 25. Canada post delivered it on September 1.
Vancouver -> Calgary 7 days ES10009849347750001010001A0N
|May 4, 2020||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济Global||September 1, 2020||120||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainao Global. It shipped on May 4. It was picked up and given to a Yanwen Facility on the 10th and assigned an untracked tracking number UJ392239455CN on the 11th. Itt was given to an airline at Jiangsu International probably on May 18. It arrived at my mailbox on September 1.
|July 28, 2020||Suzhou||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济Global||September 1, 2020||35||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainao Global. It shipped on July 28, given to a Yanwen Facility and assigned an untracked tracking number UJ566826299CN on the 29th, and was given to an airline at Jiangsu International probably on August 3. It arrived at my mailbox on September 1.
Jiangsu International -> Vancouver 10 days
Vancouver -> Calgary 12 days
|July 22, 2020||Suzhou||Ebay, Yanwen||September 1, 2020||41||I ordered two identical items from the same seller. Both shipped with Yanwen with nearly identical tracking numbers. This is the second item which I ordered a minute after the first and this arrived nearly 3 weeks later.
The item shipped on July 22 and made its way to Suzhou, Jiangsu on July 31. It was then delivered on September 1.
|August 4, 2020||Suzhou||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济Global||September 1, 2020||26||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainao Global. It shipped on August 6th, given to a Yanwen Facility and assigned an untracked tracking number UJ579443409CN on the 7th, and was given to an airline at Jiangsu International on the 10th. It arrived at Vancouver on the 20th and eventually arrived at my mailbox on September 1.
Jiangsu International -> Vancouver 10 days
Vancouver -> Calgary 12 days
|April 29, 2020||Suzhou||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济-燕文||August 26, 2020||119||Ordered from AliExpress with Yanwen Economic Air Mail on April 29 and was shipped on May 7. It was picked up on May 9 and delivered to a Yanwen sorting center on May 10. An untracked UJ393941214CN tracking number was given on May 11. The last event was May 17 where it left the sorting center at Suzhou, Jiangsu International.
|July 14, 2020||Suzhou||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济Global||August 26, 2020||44||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainiao Super Economy Global. It shipped the next day and was picked up on July 17. It was assigned an untracked UJ552327965CN tracking number on July 18. Last event was on July 20 when it left the sorting center at Suzhou, Jiansu International.
|August 10, 2020||Shantou||AliExpress, UBI Smart Parcel||August 26, 2020||16||Ordered from AliExpress with AliExpress Shipping. Item was shipped after 3 days on August 10. On August 13, it arrived at Shenzhen. It cleared customs the next day and arrived at Richmond BC on August 15. On August 19, it was collected from the airport, passed customs, and was given to Canada Post. On August 25, it arrived at Edmonton. It was then delivered the next day.
|August 9, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPak||August 20, 2020||11||Ordered from Ebay with SpeedPak shipping. It shipped on August 9 and was received by OrangeConnex on August 10. It left China on August 13. It was received by Canada Post on August 17 and delivered on August 20.
|July 15, 2020||Ebay, BuyLogic||August 20, 2020||36||Ordered from Ebay with free shipping 'Economy Shipping from outside Canada'. It was shipped with BuyLogic and was assigned a BL tracking number which is untracked.
It left China on July 25 and arrived in Canada on July 27. Canada Post took the item on August 3 and delivered it on August 20.
|May 13, 2020||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济Global||August 20, 2020||99||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainiao Super Economy Global shipping. The item shipped on May 12. It was assigned an untracked UJ tracking number on May 16. It left Suzhou Jiangsu International on May 22. On August 20, it arrived.
|May 12, 2020||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济Global||August 20, 2020||100||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainiao Super Economy Global shipping. The item shipped on May 12. It was assigned an untracked UJ tracking number on May 16. It left Suzhou Jiangsu International on May 22. On August 20, it arrived.
|July 25, 2020||AliExpress, WishPost + Flyt Express||August 18, 2020||24||Ordered from AliExpress with Cainiao Super Economy Global, but the shipper first gave a WishPost tracking number, then a Flyt Express number.
The item shipped on August 1 by Wish Post. It arrived at a EPC warehouse. On August 8, another tracking number by Flyt Express (1023038655619016) was given which shows the item arriving at Richmond BC on August 12. Canada Post delivered it to Edmonton on August 17 and was delivered on August 18.
|July 22, 2020||Suzhou||Ebay, Yanwen||August 12, 2020||21||I ordered two identical items from the same seller. Both shipped with Yanwen with nearly identical tracking numbers. The first item I ordered a minute earlier than the other arrived first. The second one took another 3 weeks to arrive.
The item shipped on July 22 and made its way to Suzhou, Jiangsu on July 31. It was then delivered on August 12.
UD177196023YP / UJ559375090CN
|April 30, 2020||Shanghai||AliExpress, 菜鸟超级经济-燕文, Cainao Super Economy - Yanwen||August 11, 2020||103||Ordered from AliExpress and was shipped with Cainao Super Economy. Yanwen/China Post assigned it with an untracked shipping number beginning with UJ a couple days later and then was given to an airline a week later on May 9. No updates were available and it was eventually delivered on August 11.
S00000135933761 / UJ363721081CN
|July 24, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPak||August 6, 2020||15||Item was ordered from Ebay on July 22. It shipped on July 24 and left China on July 28. It arrived and cleared customs in Canada on July 29. Canada Post took the package on July 30 and delivered it on August 6.|
|July 12, 2020||Shenzhen||AliExpress, UBI Smart Parcel||August 5, 2020||24||Ordered from AliExpress with AliExpress Standard Shipping. It shipped on July 12. On July 13, UBI provided it with a Canada Post tracking number. On July 14, it cleared customs and was given to an airline on July 15. It arrived in Richmond BC, Canada on July 17. It was collected from the airport on July 18. Customs cleared it on July 20. Canada Post delivered it on August 5.|
|July 17, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPak||July 31, 2020||15||Ordered from Ebay. Item shipped with SpeedPak for free on July 17. It left China on July 21. It arrived in Canada on July 23 and was taken by Canada Post on July 24. The item was then delivered on July 31.
|May 7, 2020||Shanghai||AliExpress, Special Line-YW, 燕文航空挂号小包||July 31, 2020||84||Ordered from AliExpress. Item shipped on May 9 and was sorted through Shanghai. It was given to an airline on May 16. It arrived in Richmond BC on July 27. Canada post processed the item on July 29 and delivered it on July 31.
|May 11, 2020||Shenzhen||AliExpress, Singapore Post, 新加坡邮政挂号小包||July 30, 2020||79||Ordered from AliExpress. Item shipped on May 11 and was given to an airline on May 12. On May 28, it entered a "item pending international transport availability" state. On June 12, it left China. On July 19, it arrived at Mississauga. Canada Post took the item on July 21 and delivered it to Richmond Hill, Ontario due to a processing error. It arrived in Calgary on July 26 but was sorted twice before finally being delivered on July 30.
|July 11, 2020||Suzhou||Ebay, Yanwen||July 29, 2020||18||Ordered from Ebay with economy shipping for $0.59 USD.
It shipped on July 11 with tracking number UD163884098YP and arrived at a Yanwen facility on July 12 and received a destination country tracking number UJ543892958CN. It left China some time after July 17. It arrived in my mailbox on July 29.
|April 7, 2020||Shenzhen||AliExpress, China Post||July 27, 2020||112||Ordered from AliExpress on April 4, 2020. It was shipped on April 7. It cleared Chinese customs on May 12. On July 20, tracking shows that it arrived at Vancouver. On July 27, it arrived at my mailbox.
|July 16, 2020||Shenzhen||AliExpress, UBI Smart Parcel||July 27, 2020||10||AliExpress 4006318639723859
Shipped on July 16, collected and arrived at a shipping hub at Shenzhen on July 18. Given to airline on July 20. Arrived in Canada on July 21. Collected at the air port on July 22, Customs released it on July 23, Canada Post then took the item on July 24 and delivered it on July 27.
|July 12, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPAK, OrangeConnex||July 24, 2020||12||Ordered from Ebay with 'Standard International Shipping' for $1.20 USD. It shipped using SpeedPak.
Shipped from Shenzhen on July 13, cleared customs on July 14, left China on July 15. Arrived in Canada the same day and cleared Canada customs on July 17. Canada Post took the package on July 20 and delivered it on July 24.
|May 31, 2020||Hangzhou||AliExpress, China Post
AliExpress, ePacket (China Post)
|July 7, 2020
July 24, 2020
|AliExpress shipping buggered up this order completely. AliExpress refunded the order, hopefully to no loss to the seller since it wasn't the seller's fault.
The seller on AliExpress tried to ship the item but it was returned back to him because he claimed China customs rejected it. He then shipped it again and gave me a tracking number 4006318634940961 and is tracked by a China Post number LZ131651066CN.
LZ131651066CN was sent on May 31, given to an airline on June 4, arrived in Richmond BC on June 24, Canadian customs released it on June 24, and Canada Post processed it on June 29 and delivered it 8 days later on July 7. (8 days including the weekend and Canada Day). However, this package wasn't actually what the seller intended to send me. Instead, it was actually LP00180005419687 which the same seller intended for someone in Italy.
Two and a half weeks later, another package arrives via ePacket with the same tracking number LZ131651066CN. This package was the actual package with the original 4006318634940961 number under the ePacket label. Looking at the tracking history again, it appears that the events for the two parcels are interleaved since there exists duplicate key events such as departure and arrival. I believe that this package was also sent on May 31, given to an airline on June 14, arrived at Burnaby BC on July 22, and delivered on July 24. (2 weekdays)
|June 22, 2020||Shanghai||Ebay, SpeedPAK, OrangeConnex||July 7||19||Ordered on June 22 from Ebay. It shipped from Shanghai on June 23 and arrived in Hong Kong on June 30. It arrived in Canada probably the next day (July 1). Customs cleared it on July 2. Canada Post most likely processed the package the next day despite the tracking saying it processed it on the 6th since it was delivered the next day on July 7.|
|June 18, 2020||Guangzhou||Ebay, SpeedPAK, OrangeConnex||July 7||24||Ordered on June 18 from Ebay. It shipped the same day and cleared China customs on June 19. It arrived in Canada on June 23. Customs took 3 days. Canada post took 7 days before processing the package on July 3. It was delivered to the mailbox on July 7.|
|April 30, 2020||Hangzhou||AliExpress, EMS||July 3, 2020||63||Ordered on April 28 with AliExpress standard shipping. Package was sent on April 30 and eventually went into "International item has left originating country and is en route to Canada" on May 5. It arrived in Canada at Mississauga on June 27.
Customs released it after one day. Canada Post accepted it on June 28 and it arrived in Calgary on July 2. It was delivered it to the mailbox on July 3.
|April 30, 2020||Hangzhou||AliExpress, EMS||July 3, 2020||63||Ordered on April 28 with AliExpress standard shipping. Package was sent on April 30 and eventually was 'handed to airline' on May 6. It arrived in Canada on June 25 at Mississauga.
Customs released it after one day. Canada Post accepted it on June 26 and it arrived in Calgary on July 1. It was delivered it to the mailbox on July 3.
|Jun 19, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPAK, OrangeConnex||July 2, 2020||13 days||Ordered two things from Ebay on Jun 18. Both shipped free with Economy SpeedPAK from China/Hong Kong/Taiwan
Packages left Shenzhen for Dongguan on Jun 19. It left China on June 20 and arrived in Canada on June 21
Customs released it on Jun 25 and processed by Canada Post the same day. Canada Post took 7 days to deliver to the mailbox.
|May 25, 2020||Shantau||AliExpress, via UBI Smart Parcel||June 12, 2020||17 days||4PX picked up the package (1 day) and delivered to UBI Smart Parcel (1 day). UBI notified Canada Post. It arrived at an air port 2 days later, given to an airline the next day. It then sat at the air port for 2 days before being flown and arriving at Vancouver the next day. The item sat at the air port for 1 day before being collected. Customs released it after 2 days.
Canada Post too the package the next business day. Arrived at Burnaby the next day. It took 3 days to arrive directly to Calgary and into the mailbox.
|May 15, 2020||Shenzhen||AliExpress, via UBI Smart Parcel||June 8, 2020||23 days||4PX delivered to UBI Smart Parcel the next business day. UBI notified Canada Post of the package, cleared customs and given to an airline in one day.
Item sat for two days until it was flown to Vancouver. It sat for another 3 days at YVR airport before being collected. Customs released it after another 7 days. Canada Post took 4 days to send it to Edmonton and another day to arrive in the mailbox.
|April 21, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SpeedPAK, OrangeConnex||May 11, 2020||14 days||Ordered from Ebay. Shipped free with Economy SpeedPAK from China/Hong Kong/Taiwan
Package left Shenzhen for Dongguan on April 21. It left China on April 25 and arrived in Canada on April 30, possibly by boat.
Customs released it on May 6 and processed by Canada Post on May 8. Canada Post took another 3 days to deliver to the mailbox.
|April 20, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, Economy Shipping from outside Canada, Yanwen||N/A||N/A||Shipped on April 22. No information since April 24 after it left a Yanwen facility.
|March 14, 2020||Suzhou||Ebay, SpeedPAK, OrangeConnex||March 23, 2020||9 days||Ordered from Ebay. Shipped free with Economy SpeedPAK from China/Hong Kong/Taiwan
Package left Suzhou for Hangzhou on March 14. It left China by air on March 17 and arrived in Canada on March 18.
Customs released it on March 19 and processed by Canada Post on March 20. Canada Post took 3 days to deliver to the mailbox.
|April 13, 2020||Shanghai||Ebay, Yanwen, via ePacket (China Post)||June 3, 2020||51 days||Ordered from Ebay with 'Economy International Shipping'.
The original Yanwen tracking number was replaced with a ePacket tracking number after departing from Yanwen's facility.
Shipped on April 13 and picked up by Yanwen. It was given to an airline and left China between April 14-19 and arrived in Canada on May 22.
Customs released it on May 23. Canada post processed it the same day and delivered it via Edmonton in 10 days.
|March 21, 2020||Shenzhen||AliExpress, via UBI Smart Parcel||April 7, 2020||16 days||4PX Express delivered it to UBI Smart Parcel the next business day. UBI delivered it to an airport the next day. It took 3 days by air to arrive at Vancouver. It sat for 2 days. Customs took it for 1 day. Canada Post took 6 days to deliver it from Vancouver via Edmonton to the mailbox.|
|March 18, 2020||Shenzhen||Yanwen, via ePacket||April 20, 2020||33 days||On the day it was shipped, a Canada Post tracking number was assigned by Yanwen.
Package left China on March 22. Arrived in Mississauga on March 23? Customs took it on March 31 and released it the same day. Canada Post took 18 days to deliver it to Calgary and 1 day to deliver it to the mailbox.
|March 1, 2020||Shenzhen||Ebay, SunYou/SyTrack, China Post||July 23, 2020||144 days||Ordered from Ebay with 'Economy International Shipping'.
Package shipped on March 2 and departed Hong Kong on March 25. It arrived at GMTC on March 27 and departed on April 9. It then arrived at an airport in Canada on April 18. It doesn't say which airport. It eventually arrived on July 23.
Tracking number given was SY13650898674. A China Post label was stuck over the SunYou one and has a tracking number UJ153321013CN but is labeled 'untracked'